Renowned vaccinologist and virologist, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (website, Twitter), who famously warned the world about the potential harms of mass vaccinating into a pandemic, assesses the data on Covid-19 vaccines’ safety and efficacy after having looked at 1.5-years’ data. His cautions have come unfortunately come to fruition with potentially more dire consequences ahead with the continued “vaccine” campaign.
Join us as Dr. Vanden Bossche also discusses the role of the WHO, monkeypox and a better way forward. #betterwayconference
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Glen Jung: [00:00:00] All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are so honored to have here today Geert [00:00:03]Vanden Bossche. [00:00:03] He is a world class vaccinologist and virologist. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:00:10] Yeah, thanks for having me.
Glen Jung: [00:00:12] So quite a while ago you predicted that you never vaccinate into a pandemic and you gave some stark warnings. Can you give us an update on now that we have over a year and a half’s worth of data and epidemiological evidence of the vaccines? Can you give us an update on how your predictions have turned out?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:00:31] Well, what we have seen so far is that the virus that is currently the dominant virus in the population is Omicron, which is highly infectious, as we know. And so what we have been doing with this mass vaccination is that without being able to prevent infection of the virus, we have been putting it under huge pressure by vaccinating large cohorts of the population across all age groups. And so we put tremendous pressure on the infectiousness of the virus. The virus has overcome this pressure, and that is the reason why we are now seeing that a highly infectious virus, Omicron, with all the variants and so variants is basically dominating the scene and is circulating in many in many highly in all of the highly vaccinated countries. So that is the first step. The virus has overcome the pressure that we have put on the infectiousness.
Glen Jung: [00:01:30] Right. And when we’re talking about the pressure, we’re talking about its ability to survive, mutate so that it can continue.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:01:36] Well, the pressure is, in fact, the antibodies that are induced because of the vaccine. So these are the vaccine induced antibodies that are not capable of preventing the infection. So they cannot prevent the virus from replicating from transmitting, but they are nevertheless making the virus life difficult. So that is what we call the immune pressure. And the pressure is only growing when, of course, you have all of the population that is contributing to that pressure. And how does that come? That is because you are vaccinating almost all of the population. So everybody is mounting antibodies, but these antibodies cannot prevent the transmission, but will make the virus life difficult, put immune pressure on the virus. That’s what what immune pressure is about.
Glen Jung: [00:02:24] So now tell us about some of the actual harms that have resulted from vaccinating during a pandemic.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:02:30] The problem in general when you are vaccinating during a pandemic is that I’m always comparing this by going to the battlefield while your gun is unloaded, while your gun is not charged. So you come, you arrive at the battlefield, so you are already under attack like we are during a pandemic, exposed or potentially exposed to the pathogen. But we have not our immune response in place. So when you go to the battlefield and you then start to load your your gun or to charge your weapon, then you come too late. So that is when we vaccinate during a pandemic, we start to mount antibodies. But the antibody response is not already completely mature before you get exposed, because literally, for example, two days after your first vaccination, you can already get exposed because we are in the midst of the pandemic. People are not quarantined after their vaccination. So it takes two, three, four, sometimes six weeks. If you need a boost before you have a fully functional immune response, if before that you get exposed to the virus and that likelihood is very high. You come with an immature immune response and that enables the virus to escape to that response. So that is that is the high risk of vaccinating with vaccines that are not capable of blocking the transmission when you do this during a pandemic. And that is basically continuing because we are vaccinating more and more people. We also intend to some extent to include the children in those mass vaccination campaigns. So the virus is just continuing to escape the kind of immune pressure that the population through the mass vaccination is putting on the virus.
Glen Jung: [00:04:16] So in essence, governments, public health agencies are prolonging what is called the pandemic.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:04:22] Yeah, well, they are certainly prolonging. You have to know that the natural pandemics that have been documented so far were lasting between eight months and, let’s say maximum one and a half years. We are already over it. Right. So that is one thing. The other thing is, is that the likelihood that we are going to have circulating variants that become not only more infectious but also more dangerous increases. So it’s not only the fact of prolonging the pandemic, it’s also the real. Scientific risk that we are going to increase the severity and the losses that this pandemic will bring. This is no longer a natural pandemic. So the likelihood that we are going to have ultimately higher morbidity and higher mortality rates is is beyond real, I would say.
Glen Jung: [00:05:19] So in your mind, why is this happening?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:05:22] Why is this happening? Well, I think I think what happened is that the W.H.O. being for me, I’ve experienced this in the past, a bureaucratic organization. And I hate to blame people. I hate to blame organizations, but I have no other words than calling this organization completely dysfunctional. They have completely misinterpreted the situation in the sense that they have declared this an emergency, a health emergency of international concern. And if you have like a health emergency of international concern and it is about an infectious disease and you want because it’s a pandemic to find a solution for the global world, then of course, the idea comes of, you know, thinking about vaccines and the World Health Organization themselves. They cannot produce vaccines. They are financially, logistically, completely dependent on other organizations. Now, which organization can supply vaccines in huge quantities, Right. This is big Pharma. So W.H.O., by declaring this an emergency of international concern, open the door to big Pharma. Now, when you open the door to Big Pharma, you know what you’re going to get. It’s about enriching the shareholders, of course. So. So. So that is that is the reason why all of a sudden there is no scientific debate anymore. There is the push, you know, from W.H.O., together with the governments, that science that signed all the contracts with big, big pharma and that even took over the liability. So there is now this big, big push where the contracts have been paid for, etc., to roll out these mass vaccination campaigns and the science doesn’t exist anymore. Right. So that is the situation we are in. It has been pushed so far, you know, that, you know, there is no there is no possibility anymore to to step back. Right. Nobody’s going to do this.
Glen Jung: [00:07:28] So basically what we’re looking at is governments, public health agencies, the World Health Organization’s all being subsidiaries of Big pharma.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:07:37] Yeah. And not to forget. Not to forget, which is very sad to say. Also, the the contribution, unfortunately, of key opinion leaders and certain scientists who are all having conflicts of interest because they are all consultants for this health organizations or they are even having stock options in the farm industry, etc.. So what what is the problem is that we don’t have, you know, independent scientists that and the independent scientists that are analyzing the situation, that are understanding the situation, that are fully comprehending the madness of the current situation. Most of them don’t dare to speak out. So it’s not just big pharma. You know, governments chaperone by W.H.O., It’s also key opinion leaders and experts, especially those who have our world famous renown, have their big names, but they are all bound by this kind of contracts and dependencies on on on these agencies, on these stakeholders. And therefore, they they just collaborate and, you know, they play the game. Yeah.
Glen Jung: [00:08:49] So if we speak in plain language, if you speak in legal language, we’re looking at crimes against humanity through corrupt organizations that have been co-opted by other corrupt organizations. We’re here at the Better Way Conference last day in Bath, England. What would you say is the better way forward? What is the solution to be able to uproot and change these establishments in these practices?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:09:12] Well to change the establishment for. Well, we still if we talk about solutions, there is, you know, two ways of thinking about this. One thing is, what could we do practically, regardless of what is going to be possible in the sense of, you know, can be censorship, you know, these certain things that governments can prevent us from doing. But the practical organization, the practical solution would be to diminish the infection rate of the virus. So in in very concrete terms, that would that would simply mean that in highly vaccinated countries, we would need, of course, to stop immediately mass vaccination. Certainly not even think about also including our children in these mass vaccination programs and immediately replace these mass vaccination programs by what I call mass antiviral, you know, chemoprophylaxis so that we prevent that we we can get down this infectivity, these high infectivity rates in the population. So it as a practical solution, no government is going to take that decision. Probably so. But how can you how can you change the establishment? How can you make a stakeholders change their opinions, their ideas? Frankly speaking, I think, you know, they will continue. They will continue and they will push it to the extreme. But the extreme is not that we are going to suffer from their tyranny all the time. The consequence is going to be that we will give the virus the opportunity to end this pandemic, of course, in a way that we are going to to pay a big price for this, of course.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:10:57] But this equilibrium that gets established after a natural pandemic, not influenced by human intervention in one way or the other, nature is going to reestablish it. Of course, we have disturbed it in a very profound way, in a very profound way. And unfortunately, I could explain this, of course, in all scientific details. I’m not going to do this, but it comes down to the fact that the virus nature will reestablish this equilibrium between the virus and the defense, the immunity of the population, which we call herd immunity. But it will take a huge price. It will take a much higher toll than a natural pandemic would take. Right. And we can see this already because, you know, the pandemic is prolonged. I was just saying it’s already, you know, taking more time than a natural pandemic. And what I was telling you is that there is a very high likelihood personally, I’m completely convinced of that, that, you know, the the virus that will, in fact, ultimately start to dominate, to dominate in the population will become more and more virulent. So in other words, the losses will be much more substantial in terms of causing severity, causing morbidity and mortality rates, unfortunately. But that is what nature will take as a prize in order to reestablish that equilibrium, you know, between because it’s the the immune pressure is exerted by, unfortunately the vaccinated population.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:12:33] Their antibodies are no longer effective. They are not neutralizing. So the virus will take action in a way that this immune pressure will diminish. And, you know, the population that is exerting this immune pressure is all the vaccinees. Unfortunately, I you know, I hate to say this, but there is no way around that. The immune status right now of vaccinated, fully vaccinated people is very different from those that are non-vaccinated. The non vaccinated are not exerting this immune pressure. The vaccine are inducing that or increasing that immune pressure. So either you diminish the infectious pressure and we can do this through antivirals, but if we don’t do this, you know, the other way around, because the both are connected, is to reduce the immune pressure. Reduction of the immune pressure can only take place if you have, for example, a baby boom, because then you have plenty of unvaccinated children when you have huge immigration from countries that are poorly vaccinated, none of this is going to happen. Or you have a vaccine that can really eliminate the virus. We don’t have this type of vaccines right now. So the other solution is, you know, nature will reestablish this equilibrium, but it will take you know, it will take lives from people who are right now exerting high immune pressure on the virus, which is, of course, the vaccinated population.
Glen Jung: [00:14:00] Unfortunately, pressures are being exerted by the VACCINEES. They’re also compromised immune wise. Correct. Because of the spike protein, because of the lipid nanoparticle. We’re seeing immense amounts of damage and harm being done on people’s not only not only their their bodies, but in terms of their actual immune response.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:14:21] Yeah, well, what I’m expecting but I’m always saying I’ve been I’ve been sharing this already over a year ago that there was this basically happening is that the vaccine antibodies, the vaccine induced antibodies, they can outcompete what we call innate antibodies. So the innate antibodies or antibodies that we have as a convert that are very active against all kinds of variants, but that can be easily outcompeted by specific antibodies, the antibodies that are induced by the vaccine. So normally, if the vaccine is very efficient, that is fantastic because, you know, these antibodies bind properly, can neutralize, they have memory. They are there for the rest of your life. They do a fantastic job. But right now what we are seeing, seeing and seeing is that this vaccine, all antibodies do no longer neutralize the virus. So they are no longer effective, but they can still outcompete innate antibodies. So that means that not only we can no longer rely on the neutralizing antibodies, but also we are kind of like making dysfunctional an innate immune system that would normally provide a large degree of protection, not only to all the variants of SARS-CoV-2, but even to all coronaviruses and even to other viruses like influenza viruses.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:15:42] That is because, you know, the nature of these innate immune antibodies is very different from the specific antibodies. They recognize patterns on viruses, patterns that are shared among several different viruses, for example, corona, for example, influenza, maybe all the respiratory viruses. So if we suppress this innate antibodies by dysfunctional vaccine antibodies, then we are going to see most likely also a dramatic increase in other infectious diseases, like, for example, influenza, etc.. That is where probably this I’m sorry to use this word, but these idiots, the stakeholders are going to say, you know what? What we need is to combine these vaccines against COVID. Sars-cov-2 with influenza vaccines, you know, because now we see that more and more children, more and more people are getting the flu. So we need to combine this, right? So my fear is that because of this suppression that you were alluding to and that other infectious diseases will pop up, that so far we are more or less under control, that we will just, you know, increase this this madness and have more and more push even to combine the current vaccines, even with other vaccines against other infectious diseases.
Glen Jung: [00:16:55] Where is the role of natural immunity take place? Will that you’re saying it’s basically been disabled now by the vaccines or the vaccines? Are there enough unvaccinated people to and and children who haven’t been vaccinated to be able to help restore for herd immunity or is that a lost cause now?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:17:12] Yeah. So what you need to have to to to control a virus like this one and the same is true for flu for example, is that you need to have, you know, the famous words, you know what major objective of all this madness at the beginning has been herd immunity. So herd immunity means that you have a capacity, an immune capacity in the population through a kind of immunity that is able to induce what we call vaccinologist immunology, sterilizing immunity that is capable of killing the virus, that is capable of diminishing tremendously the transmission rate in the population. And if there is enough unvaccinated people who have this kind of immunity, then you can bring down the transmission rate down to a rate that is so low that even people who are not vaccinated, who are not immunized, I should say, by natural infection or that have weak immunity, weak innate immunity because these are elderly people or have underlying diseases, but that you have diminished thanks to herd immunity that has sterilizing capacity, the transmission rate to a level that is so low that the likelihood that somebody who has weak immunity gets infected with a viral load that is high enough to make that person ill is remote, is so low that automatically thanks to herd immunity, you protect that part of the population that does not have this kind of immunity.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:18:44] So but you need a critical mass in order to generate this capacity, if you like, only have 10% of the population that remains unvaccinated, you know, then you are not going to achieve this. You’re you’re not going to reach this. So nature is going to need to find another way to increase this 10% of the population to 90%. Of course, if you eliminate an important part of the vaccinated. Population, then you can increase this part to 70 60%. That might be sufficient. That is how it works. I mean, that is not me saying, you know, discriminating vaccinees versus unvaccinated. This is these are the laws of nature, right? If you don’t have enough herd immunity, this is a general rule that everybody should bear in mind. You can never, ever end a pandemic without generating herd immunity. We can take care of this by dramatically diminishing the infectious pressure, as I was saying, through antiviral. If we don’t do this, nature will take care of this and we’ll do it in the way that I was just explaining. Right. But without herd immunity, you cannot achieve this. It’s as simple as that.
Glen Jung: [00:19:56] Can you talk to us now about this this new emerging threat of monkeypox?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:20:01] Yeah, well, I’m not going to expand too much on this, because for me, so far, it’s still pretty mysterious. Why all of a sudden this pops up in several different countries? We know that monkeypox is a threat. I mean, we know it’s around. I mean, this is not new. We know that in.
Glen Jung: [00:20:19] The pandemic playbook. But is this part of the pandemic playbook again, just to.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:20:23] No, no, no. It has you know, it has popped up a number of times in countries. We know it’s infectious to humans. We know what the what the host population is. But what is what is very, very strange is that now all of a sudden in several different countries at the same time, even European countries in the US, it’s the raw cases. So where does this come from? Has this to do with, you know, I, I tend not to go to, you know, this kind of conspiracy theories where it would all be intentional, but it might be it might be that massive suppression of our innate immune defenses makes us more susceptible to not only being getting infected with something, but that that this infection is also productive. That means that you can get infected and your immune system can take care of this to an extent that the virus cannot replicate. Right. But you got invaded, you got invaded, but it’s not a productive. So so the virus is not capable of producing progenity yet. But in other cases, of course, if you weaken the immune system, an infection that is not normally productive can all of a sudden become productive. And then of course you can have cases of disease. So I think it’s way to too early right now to speculate on what exactly is going on. But it’s all very weird. What we are we are seeing, you know, incidence of a number of infectious diseases going up, even of noninfectious immune-mediated diseases like cancer, for example. Then we see all of a sudden these, you know, monkeypox popping up. So it’s seems like we are living indeed in a very strange world right now.
Glen Jung: [00:22:15] So let’s finish off with this. We’ve had a great coming together of minds and hearts, fighting for medical autonomy, for truth, for transparency. What what did you take out of the Better Way conference this weekend?
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:22:30] Well, what I take out of the Better Way Conference is that it becomes extremely, extremely important to build communities. So and building communities. You cannot build communities based on online contexts. So it’s very, very, very, very important to meet with people in person. But not only that, also to take initiatives. And practically speaking, my recommendation is to take initiatives that are, you know, very practice oriented because in all modesty and, you know, I do not rule out that we are going to face, you know, a huge, huge wave where it will be important to generate communities not just only at an international level, but even at the local, at the regional level. So we need to have to build communities at different levels, not just locally, but we will need them also locally. What happens if we don’t get access to fuel anymore? For example, when we we can no longer buy stuff because supplies got cut off, for example, Then you have to be organized locally. But we also need, of course, to take initiatives, you know, like internationally where we start really making plans to reorganise things and and therefore that is a unique opportunity to, to meet with people, you know, like minded. But it’s also very important that this doesn’t lead to a kind of other mass formation where we are saying, you know, we are the party against all the others.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:24:12] But the Matthias is made. A country fellow of mine describes this much better than I do. It’s so important when we build communities to leave the door open for other opinions, you know, for other approaches that we listen to each other, that it is an exchange at an individual basis. But that is going to be very, very important. That is going to be the thing that we need not only for to maintain our social equilibrium, but also to act really, practically. It’s not just about, you know, theoretical or theories. We will need to to take practical actions. And I think that is really also the purpose of this group. And yeah, I’m very excited to hear that is a lot of good ideas and that it is not just all about theories. I think many people go home with really a lot of courage and a lot of positive perspective in terms of how can we be better prepare to what could possibly come in the short term, but also in the longer term. That is the better way. I would say it doesn’t say the better way in the short term. It doesn’t say the better way in the long term. I think it’s both right.
Glen Jung: [00:25:19] So I think you you put that really well in order to move forward, people need to embody the very the very things that they’re fighting against, which is censorship, which is the divide and conquer, keeping people away from each other and not having open discourse. We need to be and embody exactly what we are fighting for. And that includes lending a hand to the other side. Yeah.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:25:40] Yeah. I would completely confirm and concur with this. Yeah.
Glen Jung: [00:25:44] Well, Dr. Vanden Bossche, we appreciate your time. Thank you so much for everything you’re doing.
Geert Vanden Bossche: [00:25:47] You’re very welcome.
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