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Like many countries, Canada has become a lawless country where the foundational and supreme laws of the land have all but disappeared since Covid. The once mighty and revered Charter of Rights and Freedoms has effectively been rendered useless. According to the Hon. Brian Peckford, Canada has fallen so much from a democracy that it has taken several Members of European Parliament (MEP) to point out that PM Justin Trudeau is violating fundament rights and freedoms and acting like a “dictator,” not the majority of Canadians who blindly believe they are free.
Join us for this important interview with the Honourable Brian Peckford, the man who singlehandedly corralled premiers in 1981-1982 to stick to the principles of what the Charter came to be by helping defeat PM Pierre Trudeau’s unilateral attempt to derail the supreme laws of our great country. As the Charter of Rights nears its 40th anniversary April 17, the Hon. Peckford ironically finds himself in another fight for freedom and democracy with another Trudeau…Mr. Peckford discusses this battle, the greatest of his lifetime, and other topics, like his federal lawsuit against travel mandates, was the pandemic ever “demonstrably justified” to override the Charter, Justin’s “dictator” moniker, and much more…
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Gord Parks: [00:00:00] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. We are thrilled to have here the Honourable Brian Peckford, third Premier of Newfoundland, and most notably especially since COVID shot into the spotlight. The last leading co-author of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Brian, thank you so much for joining us today.
Brian Peckford: [00:00:15] Thank you for having me. Pleased to be here.
Gord Parks: [00:00:17] Excellent. Okay. So let’s get right into this. We’re now living in a Canada that we don’t recognize. We have an elected representative, Randy Hillier, MPP, being charged for nine offences, including assaulting a police officer up in Ottawa during the Freedom Convoy. There is no footage. A slew of charges. We had Tamara lich held in jail for a non jailable offense without bail. While meanwhile you can have a man charged with murdering a police officer get bail. It was a political prisoner that she became. We’ve seen bank accounts frozen through, deputizing of banks, something we’ve never seen. We’ve lost mobility in travel rights to which you’re having a lawsuit and a slew of unprecedented bills coming through, like Bill S-2 33, bringing the guaranteed livable basic income that many have said are going to be leading to some sort of social credit system tying in with digital ID digital currency. We have Ontario Bill 100 named Keeping Ontario Open for Business Act 2022. That’s essentially giving Ford PCs the power to make the emergency measures permanent.
Rick Nicholls: [00:01:16] Cars and trucks may be seized, same with one’s license and plates. No hearing, no trial.
Gord Parks: [00:01:22] We’ve got all these things that are happening and they all lead back to the manifesto, the guide, the structure that we’re supposed to live in by all laws, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So that charter is meant not to protect the government from citizens, but the citizens from its government. But since COVID we’ve seen so many egregious violations of the charter, can we get into just some of those egregious violations first?
Brian Peckford: [00:01:47] Yes, sure. No problem. There are four areas in the in the charter which I think all governments in Canada, all 14, the three territorial governments, the ten provinces and the federal government have violated. And Section two deals with your freedom of association and freedom to assembly, for example. And we’ve seen, you know, egregious violations of that by all governments restricting people’s ability to get together. So the freedom of association and freedom of assembly has been violated. There’s in that section, too, as well as the freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of the press. So a lot of those have been violated, too, in the way that these mandates have been implemented by the various governments. Then you have a Section six, which is mobility and is under mobility that I have a lawsuit against the federal government because they brought in the travel mandate. By the way, as we speak today, this travel mandate, which restricts people from traveling in their own country by plane or train, is the only one of its kind on the planet.
Robert Sharp: [00:02:54] That a citizen be able to move anywhere he or she wants without restriction. That’s a fundamental right of citizenship. The other fundamental aspect of mobility rights is the right to enter and leave the country, the right of every citizen to enter and leave the country. We’ve not had that problem in Canada, but we know of other societies where citizens have been effectively imprisoned within their own borders, and we regard that as intolerable.
Brian Peckford: [00:03:20] There’s no other country totalitarian, democratic, whatever in the world that has this level of restriction on the people for travel. So this will just give you an idea of how far Canada has fallen in the in the situation of democracy and so on. Then there’s Section seven, which is life, liberty and security of the person. Well, security of the person means you can’t just the autonomy of the person. I mean, that’s what it really means, security of the person. In other words, you’re supposed to get people’s okay before you fool around with their bodies and inject them with anything. Meanwhile, we’ve got all this coercion going on by the governments forcing people to get vaccinated if they want to keep their job. So this is complete violation of security of the person, as well as life and liberty in section seven and then section 15 deals with equality before the law. Well, here I am sitting in one part of Canada right now under certain places. I can’t go. I’m not allowed into certain places because I’m not vaccinated. So therefore, I’m not being treated my equality before the law rights are being violated as we speak. And so there are four areas of the of the charter which clearly establish that the violations are occurring by all of the governments. And this is the big thing. I mean, it’s unbelievable to think that all 14 governments of Canada are all in concert doing this to their people, to their citizens, to their taxpayers.
Brian Peckford: [00:04:49] And then, of course, this gets filtered down to the school boards and municipal institutions and governments that are agents of the province or agents of the federal government. And so you got this massive violation of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and they’re getting away with them. Of course, that’s why I’m in court and others are in court. So that’ll just give you an idea of the the amount of violations that are occurring right across the country. I just had a call before I came on the program with you from a lady who told me the same story. She’s got a mother in another province who’s dying and she can’t go visit her. Just this lady is can’t drive. And so here she is. Once you could take a plane and go from one province to another, but she can’t do it. So, I mean, this is amazing. And so her mother died without her being able to see her before she died. And I get these every day, all over all over Canada, jobs, people not being able to see their dying relatives and the like. And you have to wonder just what kind of a country we’re living in.
Gord Parks: [00:05:48] It’s incalculable and untold. How many Canadians have lost their lives and livelihoods and gone through these tragedies of not being able to hold their loved ones hands, even though they’re double vaccinated themselves or there’s capacity limits and whatnot? It’s. It’s not hyperbole to say that we are living in an insane time that one could never imagine would actually be happening in this country of ours. So let’s get back to the charter. Are these egregious violations? Some have argued. There are they are legitimate. They’re warranted because the very first section of the charter explains to us that all of the rights in the charter are subject to the reasonable limits that can be demonstrably justified. There’s the key phrase “demonstratively justified in a free and democratic society.” Has the government demonstrably justified a pandemic emergency to be able to violate all these charter freedoms and rights?
Brian Peckford: [00:06:35] Well, first, let me say I’m the only living father who was there and helped craft this Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The only living first minister. All the rest of passed away. The last First Minister to pass away was last year, and that was Mr. Davis of Ontario. So I’m the only living first minister who helped craft. As a matter of fact, it was our proposal from Newfoundland that actually spurred the final deal that day on November 5th, 1981. So I’m I’m quite familiar with it, given that it was our proposal that triggered the impasse that led to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the first place. Now in law and I just looked this up again this morning, by the way, in one Supreme Court of Canada decision back in 1981 in law and in the consideration of of the Constitution, judges often look at the intent of a piece of legislation or a piece of law to see if it can clearly be established, what the intent was. And I looked up in the judgment this morning and found that the judges were actually saying in this 1981 decision. But the about intent, they were discussing intent. So therefore, they give me the license as one of the fathers of the charter to say that Section one does not apply in this circumstance. So in the first instance, I argue that Section one is not even applicable because Section one was meant to apply to when the state was in peril, when we had an insurrection or a war, something that was imperil…imperilling the existence of the state. Well, a 99% recovery rate on a virus with a less than 1% fatality rate is hardly imperilling the state. So therefore, I argue, number one, it does not apply in this case. So therefore they’re not what they’re doing is unconstitutional.
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Brian Peckford: [00:08:34] But then I go further. I say, okay, for argument’s sake, let’s say it does apply just for argument’s sake, because the intent was not for it to apply at all. There are four tests and as you rightly pointed out, the most important one of that is the verb in that sentence which is demonstrably justified. No government in Canada, none of the 14 governments in any of their mandates has done any cost benefit analysis on any of their draconian mandates. One would think that demonstrably justified to define it, to give it meaning, it would mean we’ll have to look to see whether what we’re trying to do or attempting to do has more benefit than cost. They didn’t do that, and we now know that the cure is worse than the disease that’s been pointed out. Paul Alexander has pointed that out in many, many studies that have been done all over the world. So number one of the four tests, the first one demonstrably justified. They haven’t done so. Therefore, they in no way meet the requirements under Section one, even if it did apply. And of course, the other part, a fourth test is, is what they’re doing consistent with a free and democratic society. No, it’s not, because all the parliaments are open long enough to give them more power and standing, have the parliaments open and oversee the mitigations that they were doing. They could have established a select committee and every of the parliaments and oversaw in their particular jurisdiction what was going on. Bring in the experts, not just the ones from the government, but the ones from outside. Right. The health people. Peter McCullough, Paul Alexander, Eric Payne. Right. Brian Bridle. You know, all of these people from around the world that have been doing studies on this, they did none of that. So they didn’t even meet the test of a free and democratic society because that what they did was not consistent with a free and democratic society. So on both fronts, it doesn’t apply in the first place. But even if you argue it did, they they didn’t meet the test. And so what they’re doing is completely unconstitutional.
Gord Parks: [00:10:40] Well, not only is it unconstitutional, like you said, they didn’t bring any evidence to actually show that it was demonstrably justifiable, these trampling. I mean, let’s be honest, the Charter of Rights has become a piece of paper now. It’s it’s useless. But all of the evidence has been against the mandates. We’ve now had two years of data for the lockdowns, for the masks. I mean, before the mask, we had lots of data, decades of studies showing that the mask didn’t work. Now we have over a year’s worth of data of the vaccines showing that they do not help. They are causing harm and damage to people. They are possibly even spurring on and creating more variants.
Luc Montaigner: [00:11:21] It’s unacceptable, in history. We’ll take stock of this one day. It’s effectively the vaccination that’s creating the variants.
Dr. Paul Alexander: [00:11:35] We face with this COVID vaccine. Now, if you continue vaccinated with these non sterilizing suboptimal vaccines, the only result would be the emergence of variant after variant after variant.
Gord Parks: [00:11:50] Thereby prolonging this pandemic. So, so called. Right. So what’s going on here? I mean, we have this charter, it’s been trampled. What in your mind is happening to our governments, to our elected officials who are paid to represent us? And I’ve heard you in a conversation before saying that you have reached out to many MPPs, many MPPs, and you don’t even get electronic email back anymore in response.
Brian Peckford: [00:12:17] Yeah, exactly. Now, this has been happening then. Many other people, too. And if you do get an answer back, it’s a generic answer that everybody gets back. They don’t answer your particular letter. It’s just this generic that goes out to everybody, right? If they do get back. Listen, what’s happening in this country, by the way, the game is not over as it relates to the charter because none of the appeal courts in Canada have heard the charter arguments. Right. It’s been in the lower courts of all the provinces. And so we still have a chance for the rescue of the charter if, in fact, we have some sensible judges on the courts of appeal of the province or the Supreme Court of Canada. And so I like to liken it to to a hockey game. We’re in the latter part of the second period. We’ve gone through all the third period to go. But up to now, the Charter has not been honoured by by the lower courts and therefore that leads people to believe it will not be honoured by the higher courts. Of course, that may be a fair conclusion, but until we do it, we don’t know. We can only speculate. And so that’s why I say we’ve got to exhaust all of the levers that we have our disposal before we can say the whole society is finished.
Brian Peckford: [00:13:28] But I have to say, in all honesty, that in everything that’s happened in the last two years, it doesn’t make one very hopeful because of the decisions that have been made and the way the governments are acting. But then we’ll see through my court case and other court cases just where those courts of appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada go with this. Hopefully by now they have looked beyond just what the governments are saying and looked at all the independent scientific evidence to show that what they’re doing just cannot be justified scientifically or through the charter. They just cannot justify what they’re doing in any impartial examination of the facts. And one hopes that this will happen over the next year or so. But as we sit here today, there is absolutely no question that our country has lost its way. We’ve lost our moral compass, and we’re no longer a democratic society. As we sit here today, hopefully we can recover it. But it’s going to be a hard, hard fight to recover what we’ve lost.
Gord Parks: [00:14:27] Well, I mean, this is one thing that I have been asserting since the start of it, is we are in this position for one reason, a major reason, that is the mainstream media being not the government watchdogs, but the government lapdogs basically saying whatever this carte blanche government wants without any opposition, they can just say what they need to do, create any mandates they want, regardless of any justifiable, warranted science to back that up. Now, in this climate, you know, we have many signs of historic episodes of ostracization and vilification and scapegoating of one group. To be able to push forward mandates in the name of security and health through COVID. Freedom has become a dirty word. And I would love to talk to you about this idea of freedom and what the charter is. I mean, the charter was created to level the playing field to say that no man, woman or child is above the law and it brings equality to the law. Can you talk to that a little bit further about the significance of that and how it’s been trampled?
Brian Peckford: [00:15:24] Yeah, exactly. You know, the British common law goes right back to to the Magna Carta in 1215, a long time ago. And so, you know, and we talked about the man talked about freedom back in Cicero’s time. Man talked about freedom back in Solon’s time in ancient Greece. And it isn’t a new concept, but it’s a concept that has found very, very difficult to implement in a civilized society. Right now in the world, the majority of the world is not under freedom, it’s not under democracy. So just give you an idea how difficult I mean, Socrates, you know, committed suicide because he knew he was either going to kill himself or somebody else would when he tried to espouse freedom of expression, for example. And that was in 490 B.C.. So we’ve been at this a long, long while. Millenna, right? And here we are in Canada. We thought we had accomplished it. So when Canada was formed, we had to be in the act. We didn’t have any written Bill of Rights or Charter of Rights, but we had the common law and we still have the common law today. And that tradition of common law does speak to freedom and does speak to people’s individual rights and freedoms. But what we decided to do in 81, 82, was like the Americans had done in 1791, when they brought in their Bill of Rights only 15 years after they were a country.
Brian Peckford: [00:16:44] It took us 114 years after being a country to put in law, put in writing a Bill of Rights or a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, a big difference between the two countries. When we can see that as you listen to Ron DeSantis and 20 or 25 governors in the United States, you know, really defending rights and freedoms. We don’t have that culture in Canada. But we decided in 1981, after a long time of talking about it, to put in writing some of these fundamental rights and freedoms that had been part of the common law for a long period of time and part of the history of man for even a longer period of time. But we’re going to put it in writing, and that’s what we did in 81, was put these rights and freedoms into not only writing but into the Constitution. Canadians might forget that in 1960, the first time we tried to do anything with rights and freedoms in law, it was Prime Minister John Diefenbaker, and he brought in the Bill of Rights. And all of the freedoms and rights were in that bill.
Gord Parks: [00:17:43] The right to an individual life, liberty, security, the rights, equality before the law of protection, religion, freedom of speech, assembly, association, freedom of the press.
Brian Peckford: [00:17:51] Yeah. And so in the charter it’s the same kinds of rights and freedoms that were in the Bill of Rights. But the important thing for Canadians to understand is that Bill of Rights–whilst it was the first time that anything was put in writing–it was only federal law and therefore only applied to federal jurisdiction. And being a federal state that didn’t apply to the provinces and anybody who was under provincial jurisdiction, it was an act of federal parliament. It wasn’t an act of all the parliaments of Canada. Right. Because we’re a federal state, we’re not a unitary state. So there’s powers with the provinces as powers with the federal government. And so it was limited. It wasn’t complete. It didn’t cover all Canadians. It only covered some Canadians. Right. That’s why it was necessary to do what we did in 1981 and not only have it as a federal act, but has have it as a national act, the only national acts that there are are in the Constitution. All the rest of the laws are either federal or provincial. And Canadians don’t understand that there’s a difference between federal and national. Federal doesn’t mean national. Federal only means federal. It only applies to federal jurisdiction, national means that it applies to all of Canada. That’s what the Constitution is all about. That’s why we put the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Constitution. And of course, we thought it was permanent because constitutions are more permanent; federal laws and provincial laws can be changed. Every Parliament, every time the parliament opens, it can be changed. That’s not true with the Constitution. It takes us a major thing to change the Constitution.
Brian Peckford: [00:19:23] We didn’t have a change in ours of any consequence until for 114 years. And now the Charter of Rights and Freedoms have been there all of 40. Right. And so we can see how difficult it is to change. But that’s deliberate, that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was put in the Constitution deliberately to keep it away from the parliaments. So it was hard to change. That’s why when the governments now say that Section one works, that it’s completely inconsistent with everything, that a constitution is supposed to stand for permanence and stability and can only be changed in a very dire, dire situation of a parallel to the state. That’s where the courts so far are wrong. They have they have also drank the Kool-Aid of the governments and forgot their other responsibility. These courts that have ruled so far, the way I interpret it is they’re looking at it as just another federal law and not the Constitution. They have forgotten that. The judges have forgotten that this is a different beast altogether rather than a federal law that they interpret every day or provincial law that they interpret every day. This is the Constitution. That’s why the charter was put there, because it’s far more permanent. And when it is changed, it can only be changed on a very, very dire circumstances or use the amending formula, which is seven provinces and 50% of the population, which is very hard to get, which is very hard to get, especially in today’s world where the provinces are so dependent upon the federal government as we can see through this mandate.
Gord Parks: [00:20:53] Yeah. So the Constitution that gives it gives our government its structure to say, listen, this is how we’re going to govern a country and there’s accountability. You there?
Brian Peckford: [00:21:03] Yes.
Gord Parks: [00:21:03] The incredible thing is that, as you said, it seems that the judicial system, the legal system, the the law enforcement system have all forgotten that all of this is based on the foundation of the Constitution. It’s the
Brian Peckford: [00:21:16] Absolutely.
[00:21:16] umbrella that should guide every decision that is made and.
Brian Peckford: [00:21:19] Absolutely.
Gord Parks: [00:21:19] Swept under the rug.
Brian Peckford: [00:21:21] In this. Absolutely. And therefore, why when people argue with me, well, we need to amend this part of the Constitution, this part of the Charter, I said no. If they can break what they’re doing now, they’ll also break the other stuff. It makes no difference to break it. And so all the important rights and freedoms are there. It’s up for us to force the courts to do what they were supposed to do and enforce the Constitution. As everybody knows, it’s supposed to be enforced. That’s what they’re not doing right now.
Gord Parks: [00:21:49] So let’s talk about the word freedom. It has become a dirty word. I remember the first time I heard it as a dirty word was back in November 24, 25, 26. Adrian Ghobrial from City TV was covering the Adamson Barbecue Rebellion, quote unquote. And, you know, he was doing this newscast where he sat there and said, listen, I’m here watching these people at the Adams and Barbecue Rebellion here, and I’m hearing words like.
Adrian Ghobrial: [00:22:12] Conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers. Yesterday we saw self-described white nationalists.
Gord Parks: [00:22:20] And there’s even cries of freedom.
Adrian Ghobrial: [00:22:21] Which you can hear right now, people calling freedom. Freedom. We’ve heard freedom cries.
Gord Parks: [00:22:26] I thought, my God, what is going on here? We’re seeing we’re demonizing freedom as as this word that, you know, is now a dirty word. There’s no other way to put it. But freedom. People need to understand what freedom really means. I mean, from my understanding, freedom is not just about being able to get what you want. I want an ice cream. I want a house. It is about it’s there’s a higher moral purpose to it, meaning that if I have this house, I can take care of my family. I can provide if I have the right to travel, to keep my job, have my bodily autonomy, to keep my my work, then I can produce for society by continuing to participate. I have this moral worth where I can be a productive member of the Canadian society, but it’s been tossed aside into the trash to say that freedom is for these selfish anti-vaxxers. And can you talk to us about the word freedom and.
Brian Peckford: [00:23:15] Well, you know, I mean, it’s amazing to think that people would so, you know, use that word in those kinds of contexts that you just described. I mean, it’s just absolutely unbelievable to me that people would so denigrate the word freedom. Look, as I said earlier, the majority of the world is doesn’t have a democracy. It’s a tough business. Right. We have not perhaps one of our problems is, is that most of us who are living today have never gone through a revolution, have never gone through a war. Just about every Eastern European I meet, who’s now in Canada, is fighting with you and me right against what the governments are doing because they understand freedom. They were in Romania, they were in Bulgaria, they were in Hungary, they were in the Czech Republic or Slovakia. Right. When when the communists had ruled those countries and they saw a lack of freedom. And then when these countries broke free, they could see and people die. You know, in the last eight or nine, 80 or 90 years, 40 or 50 years ago, to get the freedom that they now enjoy.
Brian Peckford: [00:24:23] So they can smell it because they experienced when they didn’t have freedom. And now they do. Most of the people in Canada today who are alive have never experienced anything but freedom. And they don’t see now because of the media, as you said, because it’s so subtle. It’s not somebody on the streets getting killed and the police coming in, although that started in in Ottawa, now they should begin to see it. How easy you can lose this stuff, right? How easy you can lose your freedoms. And like me, I’m losing my freedom and you’re losing your freedom and our freedom to travel all in the name of of an emergency that can’t be defended. So, I mean, they’re doing it under one guise. Some of the dictators in Romania and Bulgaria did it under another guise, but it all amounts to the same thing. It’s taking away a freedoms without proper justification and therefore a totalitarian, authoritarian state that we now have in this country. The Europeans understand, look, the European Parliament, what they said about our prime minister.
Mislav Kolakusic: [00:25:23] Canada, once a symbol of the modern world, has become a symbol of civil rights violations under your quasi-liberal boot in recent months. We watched how you trampled women with horses. How you block the bank accounts of single parents. So that parents can’t even pay their children’s education and medicine, that they can’t pay utilities, mortgages for their homes. To you, these may be liberal methods. For many citizens of the world, it is a dictatorship of the worst kind.
Brian Peckford: [00:26:15] Why did the guy from Croatia say it and others? Because they understand freedom. Because they know what it was like when you didn’t have it. Our problem is, is that we’ve been too comfortable. We’ve taken freedom for granted until now. We have a situation where it’s been taken away from us. Some of us recognize it, others don’t. And a lot of people who are getting government money, government is involved in just about every aspect of a society. So a lot of people are afraid to speak up, even afraid that they’re going to lose their pensions from the government that’s imposing these draconian measures on them. So this is the subtle thing that we’ve got to understand, is that a lot of people are fearful, not fearful of the virus. They should be fearful of the of the injection. They should not be fearful of the virus at all. They’re fearful of their government because they know the government can suddenly take money away from the provinces through the social transfer, the health for 40 billion a year. The total transfers from the federal government to the provinces this year is 87 billion, $87 billion. So the federal government has got a sort of a hold over a lot of the provinces now. Right. And the people know this and all of their pensions, Canada pension, old age pension. Right now, they’re going to bring in the health, dental care. Now they’re going to bring in pharmacare.
Brian Peckford: [00:27:40] Well, you know, this is very attractive to people. Hitler did the same kind of thing. Other dictators did the same kind of thing. They went straight to the people with money and with their dogma. Right. And the people bought it hook, line and sinker, only to find out too late that they had lost of freedoms in return. Right. And that’s what’s happening in Canada right now. There’s a very insidious propaganda campaign going on, and that marriage between the NDP and the Liberals further fortifies my argument that what they’re doing with dental care and pharmacare is they people don’t realize that in response to this, what you lose is your freedom, your your ability to act as an individual. Your freedom becomes lost in the morass of a group is no longer you know, like I say in my speeches, every snowflake is unique. Every individual is unique. Where we’re losing that uniqueness, we’re becoming just part of the state and just another wheel, another cog in the wheel and no longer have our individuality, no longer have our own personalities, no longer have our own individual rights and freedoms. So democracy. It’s tough to to implement. As we know we had it and we’re now losing it because there are people around who don’t recognize they’ll recognize one of these days that and then it will be too late. I always give the example of this three, four years from now, somebody feels that their rights and freedoms are have been denied.
Brian Peckford: [00:29:12] And they go to a lawyer and they say, lawyer, I want you to represent me in the courts, because I’m sure my freedoms and rights are being violated. What the government just did to me, I’m provincially, municipally or federally, and the lawyer will look at the person and say, Mary George, I have some I have a story to tell you. And George and Mary will say, What’s that, Mr. So-and-so lawyer It’s this back in 2020, 2021, 2022, we had this thing happen and the governments took certain actions and the courts. Verified their actions, validated their actions, so that that charter that we had at the time got diminished because these court actions take precedence now over the charter because they ruled against the charter. So I have to tell you that your chances of winning now will not be based on the churn. They’ll be based upon the precedents that were established after the charter. So you don’t have the same rights and powers now that you did under the charter. It’s been diminished by these precedents. I’m very sorry to tell you. So your chances of winning are quite less, less than 50%, and therefore, perhaps you might not want to go ahead with this. That’s the story three or four years from now. That’s what people don’t understand today, and they should start to understand it.
Gord Parks: [00:30:31] Without facing the greatest threat to our freedoms that we’ve ever known. Please help power the truth. Click the donation link in the text description. Well, I think you raised a great point also about, you know, how people’s rights are being usurped without them realizing it on the government level, but also just on the level of, you know, the everyday person from Joe Schmo who works at whatever shop up to the experts who are being muzzled, people who want to speak up but can’t because they know they’ve been coerced. If I don’t do this, I’m going to possibly lose my livelihood.
Brian Peckford: [00:31:09] Yes.
Gord Parks: [00:31:09] What’s incredible is that the people who are cheering this on to say, yes, you know what, this is good. This is this is what you need to stay free. We’re not asking for a lot just to two shots of that experimental vaccine where all the data is being suppressed on it. I mean, it’s it’s mind boggling whoever’s behind this whole thing, you have to give credit to the the thoroughness of the job of its aims to be able to brainwash everybody and create this ministry of truth.
Brian Peckford: [00:31:36] Exactly. But the press, they they they had the press on their side when this started. Remember the money to the press? All the press and candidates started in 2018. That’s when the bill was passed, giving them $600 million.
Gord Parks: [00:31:49] And over a billion up to the CBC.
Brian Peckford: [00:31:54] Over over 10 billion every year. Right. Right. This is this is what, $100 Million every year. So this is how it happened. So then when 2020 came, right. And then the governments wanted to do all this action, they had these people on side because they already had received money from the government. So they were softened up and ready to go along with the government. And then who who leads the charge government regulate a government owned media. Bbc was the one the government owned broadcaster in the United Kingdom with CBC in Canada. Right, and other groups around the world. They formed this and signed this agreement called the Trusted News Initiative, in which they said all the members who sign on here and all of them signed on will not say anything negative about the virus, will not say anything negative about the vaccine. And so therefore, all. Information flow to the people to understand both sides of the story was missing. And this was the real piece with big pharma on side, of course, with big government on side. Now you have big media onside and all you needed was the big tech giants through Twitter and through Facebook to cancel this one and that one. And the deal was done. And so you have the four horsemen of the apocalypse, as I call it, the Four Horsemen, the big government, the big pharma, the big tech, the big media, all coercing together, cooperating together to bring about what we have today.
Gord Parks: [00:33:31] 100% gagging free speech and then at the same time, compelling free speech. We are we’re looking at very dangerous times. So I want to tell you, I was down in Hagerstown, Maryland, for the people’s convoy, which is the US Truckers convoy. They’re hanging out down there at the speedway. The truckers, they go down every day, I-70 around 10 a.m., and then they circle Washington, the Washington Beltway, because they’re not allowed into D.C. But when I was driving down there, I mean, this is something that really dawned on me because, you know, you mention that Canadians don’t understand the freedoms that we have until you lose them. A truck was passing us on the highway and it had a on the side of the truck, the white wall truck. It had the eagle talons ripping through the side of the truck and then the screaming eagle and then the flag on the back end. Now, I tell you, two years ago, I would’ve thought that’s the cheesiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. And now I look at that, and I think, yes, I started honking the horn and saying, freedom. Right. Because it’s it’s incredible where we are today. Now, you talked about Trudeau during a plenary meeting at the European Parliament on March 23rd, 2022. Multiple members of the EU Parliament called out Trudeau for how he handled the Freedom convoy, the overreach, the police brutality, the freezing of the accounts. Trudeau addressed the European Parliament with a speech on, ironically, the rising threats to democracies. Right. We also saw some members refuse to listen to the speech. They walked out, a lot of them. Christine Anderson, MEP for Germany.
Christine Anderson: [00:35:00] Mr. Trudeau, you are a disgrace for any democracy.
Gord Parks: [00:35:05] In your mind. Is Justin Trudeau that moniker that he’s taken out as dictator? Is there any validity to it?
Brian Peckford: [00:35:13] Sure, there is I wouldn’t the word dictator. I would use a different word because I don’t want to personalize it because I think the Parliament of Canada has got a lot to answer for here. The Liberal Party of Canada, they’re being dictatorial, right. And they’re allowing the Prime Minister to be dictatorial and authoritarian here, even the Conservative Party of Canada. So a lot of this. Right supported a lot of the measures that were going on or were ambiguous as to what their position was. The NDP has sold out. You know, they were the supposed to be the the voice for the common man. And here they’ve gone into marriage with the liberals. So a lot of people have a lot you know, there’s a lot of blood on a lot of hands here, including the people of Canada who last fall. Put Trudeau back in the power with the with the NDP. And today, for example, it was a poll a couple of days ago, if you believe polls at all, saying that 2 to 1 supported the marriage between the NDP and the Liberals. So I think Canadians make a huge mistake when they personalize it. Now, the prime minister is the Prime Minister and therefore you’ve got to talk about him. I agree. But in the same breath, I think you’ve got to talk about our parliament. Our parliament is not working. Our parliament is not working. Parliamentary committees in the MP don’t have the power they had years ago without the shot being fired. The powers move to the Prime Minister’s office. He has 1600 people working for him right in the Prime Minister’s office, even though he has 7000 deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers, all of which were appointed by him.
Brian Peckford: [00:36:48] He still has this other staff besides that, which is all really political. And so we have allowed our democracy to decline in our parliaments and in our institutions. And we have voted for this man. We voted for his father years ago who did great damage to the country. So the War Measures Act or the wage and price controls right through the way he accumulated debt. So here we have another TRUDEAU The irony of it all, there’s two ironies here. One is we’ve got a second TRUDEAU After we knew that the first Trudeau wasn’t good for the country. And second, we’ve got Europeans telling us we’re being undemocratic rather than telling ourselves the irony of it all. A second. Trudeau And having other people to tell us that we’re being undemocratic when we won’t do it ourselves. So we’ve got a lot to answer for as Canadians and how we’ve allowed our system to deteriorate, manifested and personified by the Prime Minister, manifested and personified by the leader of the NDP, the leader of the Conservatives. Right. The only government here that’s really party that’s really stood up and been counted has been the People’s Party of Canada. You can go into their website and find their financial statements. You go into the websites of the liberals and the Conservatives, the NDP. There’s no talk of their financial statements on their websites. This just give you an idea. Talk about accountability. So we have allowed our system to deteriorate as manifested by what the Prime Minister is doing.
Gord Parks: [00:38:20] Yeah. And so tell us your thoughts on the Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh coalition now. Politically speaking, this isn’t unheard of. It’s not irregular. But what does it mean to Canadians going forward until 2025?
Brian Peckford: [00:38:33] Well, what it means for Canadians is, is that we’re going to see the the the deficit of the and the debt of the country go to unparalleled heights. I mean, you can’t bring in a dental program. You can’t bring in a guaranteed annual income kind of thing that they’re talking about. You can’t bring in a farmer program without it costing billions and billions of dollars. And so we’re going to see, as we’re seeing in all the provinces and everybody’s taking their as if there’s no tomorrow. Now I’m borrowing. You can borrow whatever you like. Now it seems if Ontario suddenly became a country, they’d be bankrupt tomorrow. That’s how much Ontario is out of sync with the way you’re suppose. The only thing that saves them is because they’re in a federal system and therefore they have the guarantee of the federal government and all of Canadians. Remember, when Ontario borrows all this money and when any province borrows all this money, what they’re really doing is they’re saying, I’m doing it not on the backs of Ontarians, not on the backs of Newfoundlanders or Saskatchewan’s. I’m doing it on the backs of all Canadians because they know they’re out of line in their debt and that they would be not they’d be bankrupt if they were a separate country. So they’re really tricking a lot of people into thinking this is just Ontario. Oh, no. Ontario is so far in debt now that really they’re only doing it because they’re in a federal state and can depend on all of the country to bail them out at some point as they’re bailing out the auto industry today and giving them more money to build more plants. So what we have here in this marriage is between now and 2025, a coalition government of the Liberals and the NDP, which can do almost anything they like because you can’t get a non-confidence motion approved in the Parliament now because the majority are all on one side of it, the Liberals and the NDP.
Brian Peckford: [00:40:23] And so we will see a gradual deterioration of our democracy as we’ve already seen in the last two years. One, because the democracy is the most important thing of it all, and to a country that financially and fiscally will get worse and worse. And three, we will gradually, through these silly climate action programs, see investment in our country, in our natural resources go down the drain, as we’ve seen over the last four or five years. So on all three accounts, we are in really, really bad shape. I don’t know if you know or not, but when I tell people this, they get really shocked and I can prove this and I use this as a really good example. The World Bank does a report about ease of doing business in all the countries in the world, over 200 countries in the world. Their latest ease of doing business shows Canada as being 122nd in the world and how long it takes to get an electrical permit. In other words, there are 121 nations in the world that issue electrical permit to their citizens. To build a house, to build a business, and you need an electrical permit, 121 nations in the world that do it faster than we do, do it more efficiently than we do it. If you want one example of how far Canada has fallen, all you got to do is quote that statistic and add to it one of the longest wait times in the world for health. At the same time as we’re second in the world and how much we spend on health.
Gord Parks: [00:41:53] Yet people have been lulled into this false sense that we live in a great country. I mean, the snow job that has been done on the people has been masterful.
Brian Peckford: [00:42:02] It’s all on the backs of our children now and our grandchildren because our debt is so high. And so if people think we live in a great country, they’re mistaken because we have not minded, as Margaret Thatcher would say years ago, we have not minded the store. Remember, Margaret Thatcher was brought up in a in a in a building where they lived on the top floor and their parents had had a store on the bottom floor, retail store of some sort and the bottom part of the store. And so we haven’t been minding the store and paying our way. We have been leaving it to our children or grandchildren to pay the way. So it’s a cheap, cheap prosperity that we have been experiencing, especially in the last ten years.
Gord Parks: [00:42:42] Well, you know, you brought up a great point about living on top of the shops. There was a greater sense of morality and community back then, because you could not, you know, distance yourself from your business, from your home, because it was one in the same. So what you brought in from home was right above you, and you hopefully would relay that into the communities with your customers.
Brian Peckford: [00:43:04] I’m so glad you brought up morality because the first words of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It’s not sexual one. The first words of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is Whereas this country was founded on the principles of the supremacy of God and the rule of law. Column after it. In other words, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is supposed to be considered within the context of what the supremacy of God and the rule of law, which both speak to morality. And we have lost that introduction to the charter and the judges need to go back and reread the charter. And remember, don’t talk about Section one to me before you talk about the first words of the charter, which are the supremacy of God and the rule of law, and then move on from there to interpret the Constitution. That’s what they’ve lost. They’ve lost the context into which all of this was supposed to be considered. And so, yes, we’ve lost our moral compass. Do you know what? When I go around and do my public meetings in person, the people who understand this best are the fundamental Christians. I’ve done a lot of speeches in churches because the only place in the community that would allow me to speak. The pastor agreed to allow his church to be used for me to speak on the Constitution. I’ve done it all over Vancouver Island. And you know what? The fundamental Christians understand that freedom and rights better than anybody else, because they are the Christians who learn about the early church and how it was persecuted. The mainstream Christian churches hardly ever talk about the early church and how it was how the Christians were persecuted. But in the fundamentalist churches I’ve learned in the last year do that they have Bible studies about the early Christians and how they had to go physically underground. I visited Turkey and my wife and I visited Turkey and we saw some of these communities that went down underground and built communities because they were so persecuted they had to hide away.
Gord Parks: [00:45:08] Well well, you know, going back to what you said about the judges, they’re supposed to be apolitical. But we now see a politicized judicial system Tamara Lich no bail. Randy Hillier, nine charges, which I would say are trumped up. You know, we’re seeing unvaccinated parents being split off and losing custody, access to their children for their stance on self autonomy. Right. So.
Brian Peckford: [00:45:32] When I think where I think you where I think that argument has the biggest strength is the Tamara Lich. And if you if you listen to my lawyer and her lawyer, who just did a recent interview on this, explaining what happened in the at the convoy for 19 days, that he was there and dispels a lot of the myths spells a lot of the information that the federal government put out, which was which was false with just let’s get to tomorrow when you put shackles. On the person coming into court who is accused of what? Mischief at the time. Right. A very generalized term when you put shackles on a person, a female person coming into court for a bail hearing. Just a bail hearing. Still innocent. Nothing proven against her. When you check on that person in a Canadian court in a so called democratic country, and then she looks to the judge and the judge that’s going to determine her bail conditions, as a former liberal candidate, then you’ll know that the justice system has fallen on bad times because the chief judge of that court should have known that this judge could not hear this case, that they would have to be excused from this case because she had a past of liberal leanings, which was the government of the day. Right. Or the judge herself should have had the good sense to know that I can’t hear this case because I’m in a conflict of interest situation. My God, every government in Canada has been talking about conflict of interest for years and got conflict of interest legislation in place. And yet here we have it in the courts, a complete and utter conflict of interest and it was allowed to happen. That is the major two points that I would make to demonstrate that the justice system needs repair.
Gord Parks: [00:47:27] So what do we as Canadians need to do to get us back on track, to get out from behind this equal?
Brian Peckford: [00:47:35] Well, somehow, as you said early on, and I think you are very right in saying this and putting this up as a high mark, that or a point that has to be made, the press somehow have to be disengaged from the government. The press have got to become more independent. I don’t know how you do that, because they’re getting all this money and they they’ve got extra money, even besides us, 600 million through the through the covert money that came out all over Canada. Millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that came out. So how do you repair the press? How do you make the press more independent like they used to be like to be the watchdogs, the fourth estate. That’s one attack. I don’t know how you do that. The other thing that everybody can do, though, is we can all get involved at our local level with our school boards, our municipal councils, get people to run or are more independent or more democratic. Get rid of these people who went along with all these mandates so you could start writing your own local level and get rid of those councils and school boards who went along so freely with what the government was giving them. The other thing we can do is join a lot of organizations like Action for Canada, take back our freedoms, the Canadian COVID Care Alliance, Vaccine Choice Canada.
Gord Parks: [00:48:51] Take Action Canada.
Brian Peckford: [00:48:53] So there’s some great people out there fighting with us, with you and me, against what the governments are doing. We’ve got to get up off our chairs and watching this silly television and get away from our computers, watching a lot of this stuff that’s going on and get out into the community and participate in rallies, civil disobedience, so that the judges and the and the politicians realize what they’re doing doesn’t have the support of the people. That’s what we have to do. It’s civil disobedience, no question. Changing the people at the local level who represent us.
Gord Parks: [00:49:28] Well and I think that was the incredible thing about the Freedom Convoy, which you came out to all the way from B.C. out to Ottawa to give a couple incredible speeches.
Brian Peckford: [00:49:36] The Constitution is not a federal law. The Constitution is not a provincial law. The Constitution is not a little puny municipal bylaw. The Constitution is the supreme law of Canada.
Gord Parks: [00:49:54] That was the civil disobedience. You abide by the rule of law. You keep it peaceful. And then when the government overreaches, right. Then they are exposed as being the ones who are not following the the rule of law.
Brian Peckford: [00:50:05] I mean, absolutely. The police, for example, as my lawyer said in these interview, the police used a CTV news item to to charge people. That is not evidence. That is not evidence. And so that will tell you how corrupt that the police are when they start using news reports as the foundation of their evidence to arrest somebody. You’ve got a liberal candidate hearing a case against somebody who was at the convoy. I mean, and then you had them saying there was violence and the violence was in the nighttime when Antifa came in, all dressed up, broke the tie and took the air out of the tires or slashed the tires of the convoy itself. Then the convoy calls the police and tells them what’s going on. The police come and rest these Antifa. Then the next day, the police said the truckers committed violence. And it wasn’t the truckers at all. It was the truckers who reported the violence.
Gord Parks: [00:51:01] Yeah, this absolute propaganda is incredible. I mean, this is we’re talking about I don’t know, is it too far to say Stalinist, Nazi regime style propaganda? We had two people being trampled by police forces. And then that same day, Ottawa police tweets out, they got whoever it fell down, not got knocked over by these horses where it fell down and got back up. The only violence that was there and potential injury was when somebody, a protester, threw a bike at the horse. I could not believe what I was reading.
Brian Peckford: [00:51:27] Absolutely. Absolutely.
Gord Parks: [00:51:29] So. Let’s finish this off with. To summarize that people need to take action by getting involved politically at the school board level, doing what they can because no one is coming to save you. Right. Right. This this period that we’re going through now where we’re seeing our democracy fall and you have risen to the challenge and keeping faithful to the charter and your duty as a Canadian. It’s ironic now because you’re now it’s come full circle. You’re battling Justin Trudeau right now for our democracy. But back come April 17th will be the 40th anniversary of the ratification of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. From back in 1982, you had an impasse with his father, who was, you know, helping to put together this Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Can you tell us a little bit about the impasse, the fight that you put on?
Brian Peckford: [00:52:21] Well, exactly. Back back when we were trying to negotiate to bring the Constitution home from England and have a charter of Rights and freedoms. Justin Trudeau’s father, who was negotiating with all the ten provinces and with and on behalf of the federal government, left the table, actually left the table and tried to unilaterally bring in his own creation and his own charter. And we took them to court.
Speaker7: [00:52:44] The country’s top justices are debating the legality of the Trudeau package among themselves after taking representations in court from both sides.
Brian Peckford: [00:52:51] And he lost in the Supreme Court of Canada in September 1981. So here was the impasse. So people keep talking about Trudeau’s charter or Trudeau’s. No, no, no, no. It is not the Pierre Elliot Trudeau. He lost his patriation. He lost his charter. What we have today is Canada’s Charter, Canada’s patriation as reflected through the majority of the provinces. The father Trudeau had to come back to the table with his tail between his legs because he lost in the Supreme Court of Canada. He couldn’t do it unilaterally. He had to have the provinces involved. Then we negotiated with the proposal that Newfoundland presented on the morning of the 5th of November after three days of impasse. It was Newfoundland’s proposal that broke the impasse and brought about repatriation and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Lloyd Robertson: [00:53:47] The moment the Queen puts her signature on this document, it becomes law.
Brian Peckford: [00:53:51] And here we have again now the irony of it all. We have a Trudeau again now who’s trying to do the same thing to. To go back and unilaterally do a whole bunch of things which were already proven through his father to be unconstitutional.
Gord Parks: [00:54:06] Well, your fight is not over. It’s ironic that it’s happening again now, but I think you’re also being humble. Let me give a little bit of a reference in context here. I was speaking with the great George Bears, one of the co-founders of Taking Back Our Freedoms, who you are a the chairperson of. And he said it wasn’t Newfoundland that stood tall and rallied up the troops against Trudeau. It was you, right? You had you had stood up and said, listen, we’re not going to take this. I’m going to talk to each of these premiers. And then you were able to connect them all. So, I mean, your role in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that we now have, that we now cherish, that we’ve now lost, I mean, your role cannot be understated, be too far to say that you are one of the fathers of it, 100%, even more so. Now, hearing this from you. So we thank you for that. I know you have to run. Can you give us a message to the people of Canada, to the people of the world, something that you have seen that is positive and a hopeful change that you are seeing within this fight that we now see for democracy.
Brian Peckford: [00:55:11] Well, I think when you see people like yourselves and Taking Back Our Freedoms and, you know, and Action for Canada and all that, we see that there’s quite a few Canadians that are getting involved with. There are 2, 2, 2 areas that we we now can look towards. The fight is not over in the courts. I’ve taken the lawsuit out against the federal government as relates to the travel ban. It is now in the federal court. It is going to the federal court. We’ll have actual public hearings in September, quite likely four days in September, where this will be heard. It’s being heard now. Both sides are exchanging information. So the case is there. It is underway. And I’ve I took the travel ban mandate because I knew every Canadian would somehow be affected, would understand this right away. Canada was everybody forgets. Canada was born out of travel. Look at the early explorers. Look at the aboriginal people. They use rivers. We travel the Mackenzie River, right? Huge. The beautiful Mackenzie River or the Fraser River or the St Lawrence River and then the St Lawrence Seaway. When the train came, when the CP and the CN people started and brought the tracks across the country, that’s what opened up the country and cause the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, B.C.
Brian Peckford: [00:56:28] to join in the Confederation. It was travel. Our rivers and our trains are the existence of Canada right to travel. Everybody understands as well as of course, we all have friends and family because we travel all across Canada now with our new transportation systems. Right. And so we have businesses in various provinces. We have families all over the country. You never believe the reaction that I have received since I submitted that lawsuit because people could connect with it right away. That’s one of the reasons why I use that as my lawsuit. The other reason why I used it is because I go directly to the federal court. I don’t have to go to the provincial courts. It’s not a provincial mandate I’m fighting. It’s a federal mandate. But it will have impact upon the provincial mandates if I’m successful. So I go through the federal court, then to the Supreme Court of Canada, so I have less steps. So it could be quicker, it should be quicker, and it is something that everybody in Canada understands. So we do have hope because we believe we have a case here that we can win and that we’re going to win.
Brian Peckford: [00:57:36] We’re going at this. We’re going to win this case. We’re going to re-establish the charter as having some value in our society. Right. And number two, I get encouraged by people like you and by others. I mean, this is like over 100 different kinds of medium, you know, meetings or interviews I’ve had now since I started this. Right. There’s about 80 specific to zooms and public meetings that I’ve had and another 20 or 30 of other types of interviews I’ve had with individuals on an individual basis. And so that gives me hope. The other big fly in the ointment here that I see is that because some of the mandates are coming off a little bit, people think that everything is one. Well, that’s just one small example. And that’s only not because the government really wanted to do it is they really had no choice because the numbers were going down. The war is still on. The war of reestablishing our freedom has not changed. It is still a huge battle. So we must stay involved and stay fighting for the big prize, which is free.
Gord Parks: [00:58:46] Well, you know what we, like in the day back in 82, when you help ratify this importance for freedoms for all Canadians on a national, not federal level, on a national level, you are again taking the bull by the horns, going for the lawsuit with the greatest impact. We we cannot understate your importance. You are a Canadian hero. We thank you for everything you’re doing, your wisdom and your morality in keeping our human rights as well as our Canadian rights. And so we thank you so much again for this time together. And we wish you all the best and everything you do. Right.
Brian Peckford: [00:59:19] Thank you. Thank you very much. And you will have no worries. People ask you, “Well, these things get taken off, will your court case stop?” Freedom is more important. And we will not stop until we if we have to go to the Supreme Court of Canada, we will we will fight to the end to re-establish the charter as one of the supreme and sacred laws of our nation.
Gord Parks: [00:59:42] Excellent. And if people want to follow you and get updates, how do they follow you?
Brian Peckford: [00:59:46] They can follow me through my blog because I’ll keep updating there. And that blog is packed for a number four and the number two the year I was born. 1942. Peckford42.WordPress.com.
Gord Parks: [01:00:01] You heard it here. An octogenarian that has more energy, verve and fight in him than most people I know. Thank you again so much. And you have a great day.
Brian Peckford: [01:00:11] Have a great.
Reverend Rold de Corneille: [01:00:11] Day. An example of why fundamental freedoms are important, I think, can be seen in the fact that there is the danger of the tyranny of the majority of hysteria. In a time of crisis, a problem comes up and there’s a great temptation to take away the freedoms of people.
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